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Benny2guns

http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
Check this out. Any vehicle can be rigged up for around 1500 buck's. But will the men in black show up at your door?
(01-12-2010, 06:06 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.waterfuelcell.org/
Check this out. Any vehicle can be rigged up for around 1500 buck's. But will the men in black show up at your door?
just read it and found it interesting. not sure i believe it though.
i think if it were possible we'd have much more than an odd one or two cars supposedly running on water. i think we'd have millions. pirates would be putting up torrents of how to do the conversion etc. companies would be queuing up for teh rights to make the parts. i think it's too big a thing for anyone or any gov, or any country to keep concealed or under wraps.

Benny2guns

Best kept secrets bill. Have you ever wondered why water rights are being bought up in secret? I've done some research on the subject myself and started my own last year. I have some previous experience in the automotive field and can tell you that indeed an internal combustion engine can run on water. Here is the problem with it at presant, it would put the petrolium industry as we know it out of busness. We are talking about the most powerfull people on the face of the earth and from petroleum they derive their power. Alot of people have died over this technology already. Thats why it is so not heard of, but it does indeed work. Cool
(01-12-2010, 08:56 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]Best kept secrets bill. Have you ever wondered why water rights are being bought up in secret? I've done some research on the subject myself and started my own last year. I have some previous experience in the automotive field and can tell you that indeed an internal combustion engine can run on water. Here is the problem with it at presant, it would put the petrolium industry as we know it out of busness. We are talking about the most powerfull people on the face of the earth and from petroleum they derive their power. Alot of people have died over this technology already. Thats why it is so not heard of, but it does indeed work. Cool
i understand that benny. and ten years ago i'd have come on board in an instant, but in this day and age. little can be kept secret. i think it would be all over the world via the internets. someone would have leaked it, someone would have gotten hold of one of murry's engines and produced it. specially a third world country.
Is it just a conspiracy theory that oil companies are buying people off to keep alternative energy technologies under wraps, or it proven fact? Genuinely curious.

Benny2guns

Last fellow to do that disappeared. Tell you what, when mine is finished i'll put up the prints but they are already available online if you look. It's already there for the building bill. Problem is in the fact that it's been falsely put down as bullshit and attributed to conspiracy theory's. Doesn't mater to me one way or the other to be honest but before i go i'll have a car that runs on water i can assure you of that.
1500 bucks or so is a drop in the bucket compaired to the amount of money that goes into the gas tank.
If you really want to know more then follow the the bouncing internet ball for youself. I'm not in it to make money from people. I'm in it to keep the money i have.Smile
(01-12-2010, 09:10 AM)addy Wrote: [ -> ]Is it just a conspiracy theory that oil companies are buying people off to keep alternative energy technologies under wraps, or it proven fact? Genuinely curious.
i think they do or have bought up patents before and probably keep them under wraps. have they done it with a water engine. i think they'd certainly try and maybe twenty thirty years ago succeeded. but in to age of information i'd find it hard to belive. the trouble is any info you want can be constructed, aligned misconstrued, altered and hoaxed so no one actually knows the real truth.
I guess it's one of the reasons why technology is advancing so rapidly now... as you said, it's virtually impossible to keep things under wraps. You can't stop the ball once it's rolling.
(01-12-2010, 11:04 AM)addy Wrote: [ -> ]I guess it's one of the reasons why technology is advancing so rapidly now... as you said, it's virtually impossible to keep things under wraps. You can't stop the ball once it's rolling.
for me it's a lso a case of just one person creating the water engine. i can't belive that thousands aren't working on the same thing in diff parts of the world. just like electricity, the tv the telephone etc. these thing tend to pop up simultaneously

Benny2guns

(01-12-2010, 02:26 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-12-2010, 11:04 AM)addy Wrote: [ -> ]I guess it's one of the reasons why technology is advancing so rapidly now... as you said, it's virtually impossible to keep things under wraps. You can't stop the ball once it's rolling.

for me it's a lso a case of just one person creating the water engine. i can't belive that thousands aren't working on the same thing in diff parts of the world. just like electricity, the tv the telephone etc. these thing tend to pop up simultaneously

You have not done any reading on the topic. There are more than one bill. Most are scared. You see this is a large part of the problem, people saying no this can't be because and without doing any research other than reading one article provided by one fellow on line and then nay-saying. Do any of you seriously think that governments do not quash tech,. like this all the time? They collect 40 cents per litre on gas at the pumps alone in this country. Do the math, look at the deficit and you tell me where the god damn money goes. We are all blind and scared. Scared we will have to open our eyes and have a long hard look at how stupid we ourselves really are. Scared we will have to admit to ourselves that we have been taken for a ride by a handfull of connmen.

Benny2guns

as i said. i read it and found it interesting.
if what the guy said and made is open for public display which it has been since the 90's how come no one has taken up the gauntlet.
all his works on show, surely it wouldn't be hard to reproduce.
i personally think someone started a site and used the court case and others like it without knowing the real truth. why don't the people who started the site build the cars (the secret didn't die with the guy) and show it to the world. never mind the car, why dont they just build the engine?

Benny2guns

Well they have bill, did you look at my last link?
http://www.gasconversionkits.com/index2....1&OVKWID=0
There it is again. It gets little to no publicity. Don't forget that the oil companies own the media bill, thats not a conspericy theory, thats a fact.
(01-13-2010, 06:03 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]Well they have bill, did you look at my last link?
http://www.gasconversionkits.com/index2....1&OVKWID=0
There it is again. It gets little to no publicity. Don't forget that the oil companies own the media bill, thats not a conspericy theory, thats a fact.
just looked and it's an out and out advert for gas conversion to hydrogen. we have hydrogen technology.

if what they say is right. don't you think we'd all be using there conversion kits. why don't the car manufacturers incorporate it in there cars. the reason is you can make a viable hydrogen from water convert and the parts to go with it for under 100 dollars. it's a crock of shit. it like the rota o matic food processor that does everything. it's useless. jmo of course. Smile

Benny2guns

Ok, so your looking for proof that it has infact been put into use and works but when you get it, and it's even for sale, then it's a crock of shit. Ok I see your sound reasoning there bill. I know it's being sold, what i'm blind? I also know the fellow is not full of shit. I saw that report when it was aired and then never heard another peep about it anywhere. The only proof some will beleive is when the oil companies sell it too you.
(01-13-2010, 06:33 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so your looking for proof that it has infact been put into use and works but when you get it, and it's even for sale, then it's a crock of shit. Ok I see your sound reasoning there bill. I know it's being sold, what i'm blind? I also know the fellow is not full of shit. I saw that report when it was aired and then never heard another peep about it anywhere. The only proof some will beleive is when the oil companies sell it too you.
nope that it'snt what i said.

i see ads on the tv or netz every day that some cream or other will remove scar tissue. that some knife stays sharp for ever. that some this or that will do this and that. i never see these ads on uk tv. why not? well, on uk they have to prove to a real independent body they can work. that they do as they say. in the uk we get adverts that say "with added ginseng" or "royal jelly" but they never say. The gingseng will cure this or that like it does in asia. the net has few rules on product worthiness. the site you mention said look they guaranteed our site as if tit was their product that had been guaranteed. when they show me an independant research analysis ( from a real independant company) i may belive them but till then i say it's a crock. the inetrnet is full of companies with similar claims for diff products. i don't believe any of them

Benny2guns

So your saying that the fello in the broadcast is full of shit then. I agree with you for the most part that most advertising is indeed full of shit. But this guy i know and he is not full of shit. The shit he is selling works. I only used it as a quick example that there are working models of different variations out there. Surpressed but yes they are available. The same can be had for free without payment if you look for it. That requires some time and puting different peices together from alot of sources. It is not easy and in fact has been made difficult on purpose. What do you think man, you honestly think that they want you to be able to run your car an tap water? Thats pretty nieve I think. You actually think they want to make it easy for you as a nobody, and i mean no offence by that, to beleive it is actually doable by anyone with 100 to 2000 bucks? Thats pretty nieve man. Look I shit you not I am building one. I just thought that shareing was a good idea. Smile
(01-13-2010, 07:11 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]So your saying that the fello in the broadcast is full of shit then. I agree with you for the most part that most advertising is indeed full of shit. But this guy i know and he is not full of shit. The shit he is selling works. I only used it as a quick example that there are working models of different variations out there. Surpressed but yes they are available. The same can be had for free without payment if you look for it. That requires some time and puting different peices together from alot of sources. It is not easy and in fact has been made difficult on purpose. What do you think man, you honestly think that they want you to be able to run your car an tap water? Thats pretty nieve I think. You actually think they want to make it easy for you as a nobody, and i mean no offence by that, to beleive it is actually doable by anyone with 100 to 2000 bucks? Thats pretty nieve man. Look I shit you not I am building one. I just thought that shareing was a good idea. Smile
the petrol engine is not equipped without extensive alteration to run on water. to start with you have to be able to split it's component parts. then you have to be able to feed them to the piston chamber for ignition. at the very least you need an altered carburetor and they aren't cheap. then you need an hydrogen extractor which again isn't cheap. then you have the problem of mixing oil or fuel and water. they don't mis, you can only emulsify them which anyone whose had a blown head gasket will tell you is sludge. something that will never pass through an injector to burn. so to use water in a petrol car you need two system both separate from the other. unlike gas and oil where you stop the petrol and change of to gas. neither has a physical effect on the other. do that with water and your engibne will not only end up fucked but you also have to overhaul the carb, and everything else with a moving part that comes into contact with it. a water car will only work if the only fuel it's used in conjunction with is water based or water soluble . water has to be separated from the engines moving parts to cool it down. it's one of the reasons murry, the guy you first quoted, never said he could build a hybrid. it would have to have two completely autonomous systems. you have to extract the hydrogen before it enters the oil based system and that can't be done for $49.99c it can be done but it's not cheap. science will tell you and show you how it can be done. but not at 49.99
tell you what, benny,you build the fucker,after you test it and tell me it works,i believe you

Benny2guns

(01-13-2010, 09:46 AM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-13-2010, 07:11 AM)Benny2guns Wrote: [ -> ]So your saying that the fello in the broadcast is full of shit then. I agree with you for the most part that most advertising is indeed full of shit. But this guy i know and he is not full of shit. The shit he is selling works. I only used it as a quick example that there are working models of different variations out there. Surpressed but yes they are available. The same can be had for free without payment if you look for it. That requires some time and puting different peices together from alot of sources. It is not easy and in fact has been made difficult on purpose. What do you think man, you honestly think that they want you to be able to run your car an tap water? Thats pretty nieve I think. You actually think they want to make it easy for you as a nobody, and i mean no offence by that, to beleive it is actually doable by anyone with 100 to 2000 bucks? Thats pretty nieve man. Look I shit you not I am building one. I just thought that shareing was a good idea. Smile

the petrol engine is not equipped without extensive alteration to run on water. to start with you have to be able to split it's component parts. then you have to be able to feed them to the piston chamber for ignition. at the very least you need an altered carburetor and they aren't cheap. then you need an hydrogen extractor which again isn't cheap. then you have the problem of mixing oil or fuel and water. they don't mis, you can only emulsify them which anyone whose had a blown head gasket will tell you is sludge. something that will never pass through an injector to burn. so to use water in a petrol car you need two system both separate from the other. unlike gas and oil where you stop the petrol and change of to gas. neither has a physical effect on the other. do that with water and your engibne will not only end up fucked but you also have to overhaul the carb, and everything else with a moving part that comes into contact with it. a water car will only work if the only fuel it's used in conjunction with is water based or water soluble . water has to be separated from the engines moving parts to cool it down. it's one of the reasons murry, the guy you first quoted, never said he could build a hybrid. it would have to have two completely autonomous systems. you have to extract the hydrogen before it enters the oil based system and that can't be done for $49.99c it can be done but it's not cheap. science will tell you and show you how it can be done. but not at 49.99

No carb involved bill, injectors. Oil and gas don't mix in the combustion chamber to an amount that will affect. Unless you have an old engine with worn rings that burns oil to begin with. Maybe you just missunderstood me, i said i was building one. The engine is a brand new rebuild, never seen a mile. 10.5 to 1 compression ratio. Crome rings. 0 blowby. Built it myself, 350 chevy small block, 4 bolt main bored 40 thousand, balanced and blueprinted. I'm not the type to do anything half way. Pouring water down the carb is an old trick to clean the carbon off the heads and valves by the way. Any good V-8 will gulp a glass and not miss a beat.
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