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Since there's nothing going on on this / this site lately, and I empathically feel for the member named Hope, with all his Deleuzian longings, and myself with my Zizekian erections . . . I want to encourage this discussion. . . . Wait,@, I'm not done yet. #

As someone called me recently, a ''Harold/Allen/Alan/Allan Bloomian agonist''; how do others respond to worship? . . . I say Dick Cavet/t, Woody Allen, Neil Young are the people still alive who I look UP to. . . . Who do you stand . . . would stand full height and suck the dick of? . . . Let's take advantage of the great Internet site that this is . . .

As a human being, completely drowning in the subjective sea that HE's ejaculated of cum over the years , and drunk Confusedaid. I think, whatever about his personal life, or you think, about Woody Allen; as someone who's tried to write plays and screenplays, Woody Allen, he, -- What the man has accomplished. . . . I think, without eexxppaaggeerraattiioonn, that he is the Shakespeare of the twentieth century.

I want everybody to understand that this a graat site, and no-matter if you're drunk. We're all apart of something good, here, . So TALK 8255 TALK . . .

That yellow emotican was synchroncity. I used letters, manual words, and it now is a smiley face awkard emoticon: the story of my life.

Who DO you look up to, like Neil Young who's still alive that I've seen in concert but never met or that woman who played F. Crane's wife on Cheers, who the idea that you'll never meet them, or was dead before you were born: haunts you or i.e. makes you sad that you weren't or/and good enough to say something to your silent idols and sexual fetishes?

It doesn't matter what I want to talk about or what anyone else has to say. It may seem strange to the ear, but this, factually, has been the greatest Internet poetry site in the history of reality. That's right, Billy, Todd, Leanne, EllaJam, even Serge and Sandra and Lizzy. Something has been done here. Something was going on here. WJames, dukealien, ShemthePenman. Something poetic and wonderfully awkward has being going on here, Justcloudy, Volaticus, since 2013. Let's don't lose that. Todd, let's say what unique thing you guys did here. pDeathStar.

vagagbond.
Billy, despite the fact that he morally can't apprecitate the fact of my new wife who just turned 18 last midnight, has done something weirdly real. Billy has created and Addeyily maintained the 21st century poetrysite par excellence. . . . God Damn, never has there been a realm so legitimate that allowed me.

I'm in such a rhabsodic mood. Forgive me, . . . if my happiness has offended anyone nonwhite, or female.

rhap rap sotic. p

Something beautiful. Hey. Even D. Trump produced an Ivanka. Ivanka was born so hot and perfect . . . just like this site. You can't help it, like Ivanka. You can't help it that you gOT IT.

Seriously, look at what Billy has done here. What is here at this very second standing the worldwide test of time. Billy, if you're still alive, just sit back and appreciate what you randomly, drunkenly one night did. It's fa[s]cinating. . . . Milo, even.

I'm sure I'm going to be banned for this. Post . Wc Fields or Zeppo Marx or not.

An online poetry site, whatever that means. . . . Worldwide, we should be impressed. It, this, has happened. For real.
First off, I agree that this is a great site, maybe the greatest of its kind.  The quality of the average post here is breathtaking, including the critiques (self not included, of course - if it weren’t for false modesty I’d have no modesty at all).

However, there *has* been a break.  I would pinpoint it to after NAPM, which would be the end of April.  I lost, not interest, but focus on poetry after NAPM to concentrate on other hobbies, and when I got back about 20 June the place was dead as described.  (And I’m not solipsist enough to think my going away had anything to do with the collapse.)  My initial diagnosis was lack of involvement from the moderators (including newly-minted ones - you know who you are), but the reason (or lack of reason) may go deeper than that.

Another symptom I note is that no one is greeting new members.  I know this because those greetings used to pop up constantly in the new-posts waterfall margin all the time; now there are none.  This could be due to lack of new members, but I doubt it.  Those greetings were a task theoretically shared by all members but actually performed mostly by mods and near-mods.

What we have here, if I may be so bold as to whip up a theory-of-everything from very little, is a lack of leadership.  This is not to say our mods are bad, or that they’re not paying attention.  They may have made a pact to stay on Valhalla for a season and see how the grunt Vikings manage without them: it’s an adult thing to do (assuming it’s done for adult reasons).  But a critical part of leadership is, not issuing commendations and rebukes, commands, or promotions, but simply being there (hat tip to Peter Sellers).  And not just being there, but being seen to be there.

Everyone knows Caesar (or Achilles, if you will) is in his tent, hears all and knows all.  So long as there is no question of that, things run smoothly: the grunts know they are being appreciated as always even if Caesar is off playing some other game (getting his book published, for example).

The trouble is, people (grunt Myrmidons and poets included) don’t operate on faith - especially faith in themselves.  To stay involved, they must see evidence that Caesar is still involved, even if it’s only a weekly hail-and-farewell for newcomers and fallen.  If Caesar is not seen, if Achilles hides in his tent, we grunts feel our courage turn to water.  The ground at the PigPen is wet.  It stinks.

Like it or not, we need the mods’ authority to validate what we do.  Without that authority to cover us, we hesitate and, eventually, fail to expose our naked folly - in the form of poems and critiques - to the world.

[I know my limitations (thanks, Dirty Harry) - I can do leadership where the mission is well-defined and the troops are not allowed to quit just because they’re upset.  My most effective and upsetting management tool is that I don’t let anyone off the hook, self included, and my expressed or implied disappointment can be lethal.  You do *not* want me anywhere close to running this circus.]

The question becomes, is this downturn weather, season, or climate change?  It could be random - a couple of mods going off on personal business, Billy getting his car crushed in the Philippine anti-drug campaign, sort of thing.  It could be northern summer/southern winter with few new poetry vocations while at the beach or skiing New Zealand, and September will bring the tide back in.  Or it could be more permanent: is another site eating PigPen’s lunch?

I don’t know; it could just be that some of our sensitive sparkplug contributors are having a simultaneous snit over some perceived insult, taken their bat and ball and gone home (does this image work for cricket?)  Time will tell.

Or the mods might just decide to descend from Valhalla and set things right again.  It’s been known.

XLateralus

Dont worry. I’m sure admin will be along shortly to tell you all is well. We agree with us, after all.
No. When you consider that the Internet is a global thing, and you've been on other sites, and you're not famous, you will easily see truly, for what it is, this site is monumental. As pathetic as we feel sometimes, having to post our poetry online, this is THE place for it.

It's funny, because I read the first message here, and I remember writing something about how I had just got done masturbating to Ivanka Trump. I was feeling the way you feel after you have an orgasm, and I was drinking for the first time since May, when I wrote this earlier. I honestly thought I said that thing about Ivanka Trump. I just got off the phone with a friend, he said that I said the Ivanka Trump thing at the party we were at. Damn. I wanted to say it here.
I have to agree that this site is monumental. Joining this site is the best thing I've ever done as a poet. Every critique I've received here has meant the world to me, even the harsh ones. Actually, especially the harsh ones. I've noticed too that it has been quieter than usual here, but I think it'll pass.
Yes, Richard. I agree with what you say, since you're kind of agreeing with me. And I don't think we've ever spoken to each other before. . . . And this may sound silly, . . . but it's after midnight here on the east coast of the United States. And these wee hours of the night, whatever I do during them, it feels 'supernatural', and truly religious and beautiful to me. I truly believe in God between the hours of 12 midnight and 2:59am every night. I do.

I've been feeling really good lately, and wanted to take the chance to tell the people here, especially Leanne, who if you've ever seen a picture of her, is strikingly beautiful for a 40ish dame. I'm not sure how old she is. But, thank you. I don't have any friends, and my family are all dead or disowned me years ago, so I truly have to thank the folks here for putting up with me all these years. Thanks, Ellajam and justcloudy. If you weren't here when justcloudy joined and had a photo of herself up for a couple days, she's worth looking in to.

And RiverNotch. I forgot that you existed. But thank you, too.
Wait, am I technically one of those "newly minted mods"?
River, I think it's astonishing that we both have been here so long, I've been here longer than my profile says, Billy ''accidentally'' deleted my original account about five years ago, and we've never been formally introduced. Aint you the one doing the Poem of the Day thing now? I saw the Rilke stuff you posted. Stephen Mitchell all the way. It's funny, his translations are actually better than the German.

Just Mercedes might violently disagree with what I js said. Rilke. But my favorite writer is Lovecraft. -Why do I keep talking?- And JM said her favorite poets all start with R : Rilke, Rimbaud, Rumi. . . . But what does my name start with? hey hey.
Is a formal introduction necessary?

As for PotD, yes, I am. A few things: I'm a little unsure regarding whether what I've so far posted is a little tired for this community. Aside from more Filipino English poets than I imagine most folks here have heard of, I don't know how expansive my reading list is compared to, say, the British educational system. I'm also surprised that for this job, I got a few additional powers I didn't expect, powers I don't exercise because I consider this position as being restricted to that forum --- although maybe I should?
Don't worry about it. You're doing a GOOD job. But I can't recall any of your own poetry. Here's a chance for you to signif-cantly bump some of it. . . . -- At that party that I mentioned earlier, and IM SURE YOU READ ALL MY PRIOR REMARKS and know what I'm talking about: I said, being full of shit and myself, when, me bringing it up, the subject of poetry was broached: I said, There are only three poets as far as I'm concerned, Shakespeare, Rilke and Bukowski. --And if you think about it, that is true.

And as for the additional powers, I've always wondered if you moderators could see Members' private messages. There are some intimate things exchanged between me and newsclippings that I pray each night that she no longer remembers, let alone you third parties.
I think there was some ugliness just before NaPM that hurt us a little. A couple long term members (one a genius, the other a racist)  had meltdowns and got banned after God knows how many warnings. We had 2 or 3 really promising new members at that time who kinda disappeared. I know all that vitriol and no poetry would have put me off as a newbie a few years back. It must have been exhausting for mods and I can't blame them for catching their breath. I must have posted a dozen mediocre poems just to bump some of the sewers shite down the "recent" bar. 

Good post Rowens, the pot needed stirring. 
This site is indeed special. 
Eternal thanks to Billy and all the mods.
Sometimes I wonder if I'm not the one who stirred up the racist pot. As a Southern white man, I can't help but be obsessed by the subject of race. My latest joke about race is: Why would anyone want to be racist? It's got to be exhausting.

People here, I'm sure, don't know this . . . But in my little local town I get up in front of crowds every once in a while and pretend like I'm Ralph Waldo Emerson: And my last one, I started out saying: The white race lost its soul a long time ago, the black man, through his suffering, taught us how to endure. . . . And then I was booed off stage. But, damn, Robert Johnson sold his soul to the Miltonic Satan and CREATED rock n roll. Rock n roll, the soul of America . . . the smooth bassline.
(08-03-2018, 04:35 PM)rowens Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes I wonder if I'm not the one who stirred up the racist pot. As a Southern white man, I can't help but be obsessed by the subject of race. My latest joke about race is: Why would anyone want to be racist? It's got to be exhausting.


Summation: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1k_RK6KCVM
Whatever happened to Ray Heinreich? For the longest time I worried that he was German. German, like Serge. Remember Serge. He bought a stairway to heaven. Remember laughter?

I can't watch videos on this phone, but . . . long ago, I dont know when, I was watching a movie with a friend, I fell in love with the actress . . . she was playing a part that I could understand.

I can't watch videos on this phone, but . . . long ago, I dont know when, I was watching a movie with a friend, I fell in love with the actress . . . she was playing a part that I could understand.

See. This cheap phone posted twice. Southern man better . . . what you're good book said. When I saw Neil Young, who I love, live in Greensboro, North Carolina, and he played Southern Man, I joyfully yelled out . . . ''And I hope Neil Young will remember . . . '' Lynryd Skynyd, you know?

your good book said. Swear by god Im gonna cut him down.

Dont forget what your good book says. But you know, it was that beautiful song Alabama on Harvest that southern men got uptight about, not Southern Man. Neil Young, people talk about Bob Dylan's poetry, Neil Young's lyrics are far underrated.
This is a one off post for a while, been in hospital for over a month in the uk. Two lots of defibrillation, at one point given two hours to live, but that's by the by. I have been popping in to look around without posting, will be back up to speed in a month and back home in Manila. When I am well probably swap some of the mods about to freshen up the site. Ellerjam has done a sterling job so big thanks to her.
Yes, the site is running a bit thin but it happens. And no rowers we don,t ban because we don't agree with a post unless it breaks the rules.

XLateralus

(08-03-2018, 04:27 PM)Tiger the Lion Wrote: [ -> ]I think there was some ugliness just before NaPM that hurt us a little. A couple long term members (one a genius, the other a racist)  had meltdowns and got banned after God knows how many warnings. We had 2 or 3 really promising new members at that time who kinda disappeared. I know all that vitriol and no poetry would have put me off as a newbie a few years back.

lol
(08-03-2018, 06:11 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]This is a one off post for a while, been in hospital for over a month in the uk. Two lots of defibrillation,  at one point given two hours to live, but that's by the by. I have been popping in to look around without posting, will be back up to speed in a month and back home in Manila. When I am well probably swap some of the mods about to freshen up the site. Ellerjam has done a sterling job so big thanks to her.
Yes, the site is running a bit thin but it happens. And no rowers we don,t ban because we don't agree with a post unless it breaks the rules.

Aha!  Caesar was just off getting his angio plasted.  All the best for continued recovery, sleep tight and don't let the NHS bite.
I want to talk about poetry. I remember in the late '90s or early 2000s Harold Bloom was on In Depth, a program on BookTV on CSPAN2 on Saturdays and Sundays. And someone from the smalltown in Virginia I live in called in and said he was proud to say that The Twentieth Century Views edited by Harold Bloom was on full display at the city's public library. . . . Well, it's not there anymore, I'm looking at it right now, all 88 volumes of it, that I stole from the Danville Public Library, as soon as they stamped the big word DISCARDED on the A. R. Ammons one. After that, I stole ALL of them. I'm not finished, hold on . . . I want to get to my point. . . .

I remembered that interview last night when I was drinking and saw them books in my room. I thought how I'd like to ask Harold Bloom personally what he thought of Charles Bukowski. I doubt anyone has ever been naive enough to ask him that. But a man named William Joyce wrote a book in the late '80s that I found an autographed copy of in a used bookstore , in Michigan or however you spell it I think, called Henry Miller, Bukowski and Their Enemies. . . . Hold on . . .

The term Fluff Gathering, that I came up with to use in my criticism, this man William James gave me the idea, though he didn't use those words . . . because he wrote an essay in that book on Charles Bukowski, comparing him to W. C. Fields, and making a wonderful, technical, argument for Bukowski's merit as a poet. I encourage you here to find that book and read it.

Lately, I've seen, that he's been living in Mexico, and changed his name, and has been writing cliched essays about Donald Trump's faults. But I encourage you all to read his 1980s essays, William Joyce.

just mercedes

(08-03-2018, 06:11 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]This is a one off post for a while, been in hospital for over a month in the uk. Two lots of defibrillation,  at one point given two hours to live, but that's by the by. I have been popping in to look around without posting, will be back up to speed in a month and back home in Manila. When I am well probably swap some of the mods about to freshen up the site. Ellerjam has done a sterling job so big thanks to her.
Yes, the site is running a bit thin but it happens. And no rowers we don,t ban because we don't agree with a post unless it breaks the rules.

I'm relieved to hear you're on the mend - was concerned when you vanished. All best wishes for a speedy recovery.
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