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click this link: battle for the net

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92vuuZt7wak

the link john oliver gives  here  (www.gofccyourself.com) works too.

very good.

just a note, the video you’ve linked to with john oliver is blocked in england. so, anyone wanting to see it should use their vpn.

I'm not sure about this one; if I had to guess I'd say that keeping government out of things is for the best

I'm wondering how the net neutrality issue will turn out,
but there's no worry.


-nibbed

The rest of the world has been redirected to American sites for the entire history of the internet. Net neutrality is as big an illusion as your "land of the free".

America invented the internet Leanne.

well, i’m not sure how this is going to pan out, but i can’t see how repealing net neutrality can be beneficial to to anyone that doesn’t own (or has a vested interest in) a service provider. what possible advantage does the consumer have now its legal for service providers to slow down or block certain websites on a whim? net neutrality wasn’t a law beneficial to the government, it was purely there to limit control of providers.

oh well, maybe in a few years we’ll all look back on the naive innocence we had not having to pay to go on youtube or facebook:

“well i remember back in the day when wikipedia was free!”
“fuck off grandad, we’re so contrary and hipster we actually like paying for and being blocked from stuff!”

(12-17-2017, 09:30 AM)QDeathstar Wrote: [ -> ]America invented the internet Leanne.

America was the birthplace of Jesus too.

(12-17-2017, 10:24 AM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2017, 09:30 AM)QDeathstar Wrote: [ -> ]America invented the internet Leanne.

America was the birthplace of Jesus too.

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The direct precursor to the Internet, ARPANET, was invented by the Americans for *something something national defense that I couldn't care less about*. They did receive some assistance from the Brits, and they did take a few ideas from the continentals, but seeing as how most of the people who first worked on both it and its descendants were Americans, and the first computers linked up to it were American... (source: Wikipedia, as well as a couple of books I read a few years ago whose titles I forgot)

Net neutrality basically means that your service provider can't charge you for more, or can't slow down your connection, whenever you connect to sites they don't approve of. So the repeal of these provisions means that your connection may very well get slowed down if you connect to the Silk Road (good), Pornhub (your mileage may vary), or, if your service provider is a competitor, flippin' Google (very, very bad). I mean, sure, the Internet exists in large part to enforce the American cultural hegemony, and a lot of its sites are either by Americans or handled by Americans, but I would argue that, since the Internet as it is now gives the user freedom to pursue paths other than American, since many of these American service providers are so far constrained enough that they cannot easily give in to their biases for American content, and since plenty of the overall benefits of the Internet are more or less unrelated to this cultural hegemony (for example, how me and my friends have far easier access to research journals for our various courses; how I've absorbed a poop ton of international films, music, and poetry I wouldn't have had access to without the internet because the bookstores and record stores here have a painfully limited selection; or how far less privileged folk have gotten their voices heard, their businesses started, or their science projects pushed forward because of the internet), the Internet as it is with net neutrality isn't nearly as biased as you think it is, at the very least in the countries where you or I live -- ie, not China, not Russia, not many of the Arab states, (if you're particularly kinky, I suppose not Europe?), and soon enough not the United States. I guess the biggest testament to that is how this site is operated: probably based on American technology, but handled by a Brit that as far as I know lives in the Philippines, and frequented by people from all over the world.

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My biggest fear with all of this is for my American friends finding it harder to fool around, or the American content providers I enjoy having a much harder time than usual ---- but otherwise, I'm kinda ambivalent about this, if only because I feel like I shouldn't be so invested in American affairs.

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CRUCIAL ADDENDUM: although yeah, the internet pre-arpanet was conceptualized mainly by Brits, and the internet post-arpanet was kickstarted by folks down in Europe, and by the 80s and 90s there were versions of the internet per continent, with developing countries and developed countries duly separated, until by the 90s everyone was connected -- it could be argued that the internet in its invention is an international affair, but with the sheer amount of distinctly American innovations, or perhaps because it was the Americans who had the infrastructure or political will or whatever to properly apply whatever innovations other countries had conceptualized, or even perhaps because much of the early work on the internet by Americans was sponsored by their government, while the involvement of other nations (as far as I can tell) had less governmental involvement, it would be much easier to argue that the Americans invented much of it.

(12-17-2017, 10:45 AM)RiverNotch Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2017, 10:24 AM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2017, 09:30 AM)QDeathstar Wrote: [ -> ]America invented the internet Leanne.

America was the birthplace of Jesus too.

...

The direct precursor to the Internet, ARPANET, was invented by the Americans for *something something national defense that I couldn't care less about*. They did receive some assistance from the Brits, and they did take a few ideas from the continentals, but seeing as how most of the people who first worked on both it and its descendants were Americans, and the first computers linked up to it were American... (source: Wikipedia, as well as a couple of books I read a few years ago whose titles I forgot)

Net neutrality basically means that your service provider can't charge you for more, or can't slow down your connection, whenever you connect to sites they don't approve of. So the repeal of these provisions means that your connection may very well get slowed down if you connect to the Silk Road (good), Pornhub (your mileage may vary), or, if your service provider is a competitor, flippin' Google (very, very bad). I mean, sure, the Internet exists in large part to enforce the American cultural hegemony, and a lot of its sites are either by Americans or handled by Americans, but I would argue that, since the Internet as it is now gives the user freedom to pursue paths other than American, since many of these American service providers are so far constrained enough that they cannot easily give in to their biases for American content, and since plenty of the overall benefits of the Internet are more or less unrelated to this cultural hegemony (for example, how me and my friends have far easier access to research journals for our various courses; how I've absorbed a poop ton of international films, music, and poetry I wouldn't have had access to without the internet because the bookstores and record stores here have a painfully limited selection; or how far less privileged folk have gotten their voices heard, their businesses started, or their science projects pushed forward because of the internet), the Internet as it is with net neutrality isn't nearly as biased as you think it is, at the very least in the countries where you or I live -- ie, not China, not Russia, not many of the Arab states, (if you're particularly kinky, I suppose not Europe?), and soon enough not the United States. I guess the biggest testament to that is how this site is operated: probably based on American technology, but handled by a Brit that as far as I know lives in the Philippines, and frequented by people from all over the world.

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My biggest fear with all of this is for my American friends finding it harder to fool around, or the American content providers I enjoy having a much harder time than usual ---- but otherwise, I'm kinda ambivalent about this, if only because I feel like I shouldn't be so invested in American affairs.

this is all pretty much redundant if you watch the videos i posted in this thread.

and americans didn’t “invent” the internet.

my problem is 2 fold. 1) it’s yet another appendage on the american system of control. americans are not above my humanitarian concern. and 2) i use a pretty expensive VPN that allows me to access american servers to watch friends on netflix. this VPN is now in jeopardy, and i’ll never know what will become of ross and rachel. curse you trump! curse you all to hell!

(12-17-2017, 11:07 AM)shemthepenman Wrote: [ -> ]this is all pretty much redundant if you watch the videos i posted in this thread.

I know. Much of what I said came from them vids, in fact, particularly the one you didn't post but approved of.

(12-17-2017, 11:12 AM)RiverNotch Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2017, 11:07 AM)shemthepenman Wrote: [ -> ]this is all pretty much redundant if you watch the videos i posted in this thread.

I know. Much of what I said came from them vids, in fact, particularly the one you didn't post but approved of.

yes, i was just astonished by some of the replies (not yours) who clearly either didn’t watch the videos or didnt understand them. this is probably why no one in america cared to protest. they’ll protest in their droves for same sex bathrooms, of course. 

The problem with all the doom and gloom theorists about net neutrality is at the end of the day, isp's have to compete. I've got choices that include any cellular provider, satellite, cox, Verizon, google fiber, and there are probably some I am forgetting.

Net neutrality might let isp's slow down your internet connection, or it may allow them to provide sponsored free internet. For example, if Netflix wanted to pay Verizon Money to allow customers to stream without being metered... (your internet connection already is metered by most isps, not sure if you knew that).


America didn't invent Jesus, and wasn't even the best at monetizing him.


Shem, your videos are propaganda. I understand them from that perspective. I actually donate money to fight for the future but I became less enthused the more I learned about it...

Not Jesus, Joseph Smith jr.

Facebook and YouTube already delete videos/content they find questionable. Big brother isn't the isps or governments, but the content service platforms. Facebook and YouTube have unilateral power to shape the conversation the world is having based on the content they choose to censor in the name of being moral and sponsor family.

I'm far more worried about that kind of censorship than I am over my isps ability to selectively meter my internet.

(12-17-2017, 11:21 AM)shemthepenman Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2017, 11:12 AM)RiverNotch Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2017, 11:07 AM)shemthepenman Wrote: [ -> ]this is all pretty much redundant if you watch the videos i posted in this thread.

I know. Much of what I said came from them vids, in fact, particularly the one you didn't post but approved of.

yes, i was just astonished by some of the replies (not yours) who clearly either didn’t watch the videos or didnt understand them. this is probably why no one in america cared to protest. they’ll protest in their droves for same sex bathrooms, of course. 

There was hardly any warning this time -- they announced it and a couple weeks later, it was done.

We've had to fight healthcare repeal, a terrible tax bill being forced through, Russian assaults on our democratic process....we've got shit going on penman!! There wasn't time to rally the troops. Everybody that I've talked to cares very much, but nobody in government gives a good goddamn what the people think anymore.

The whole kit and kaboodle is going to court now anyway.

(12-17-2017, 12:38 PM)Lizzie Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2017, 11:21 AM)shemthepenman Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2017, 11:12 AM)RiverNotch Wrote: [ -> ]I know. Much of what I said came from them vids, in fact, particularly the one you didn't post but approved of.

yes, i was just astonished by some of the replies (not yours) who clearly either didn’t watch the videos or didnt understand them. this is probably why no one in america cared to protest. they’ll protest in their droves for same sex bathrooms, of course. 

There was hardly any warning this time -- they announced it and a couple weeks later, it was done.

We've had to fight healthcare repeal, a terrible tax bill being forced through, Russian assaults on our democratic process....we've got shit going on penman!! There wasn't time to rally the troops. Everybody that I've talked to cares very much, but nobody in government gives a good goddamn what the people think anymore.

The whole kit and kaboodle is going to court now anyway.

good point. you lot are in a bit of a pickle.

(12-17-2017, 12:38 PM)Lizzie Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2017, 11:21 AM)shemthepenman Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2017, 11:12 AM)RiverNotch Wrote: [ -> ]I know. Much of what I said came from them vids, in fact, particularly the one you didn't post but approved of.

yes, i was just astonished by some of the replies (not yours) who clearly either didn’t watch the videos or didnt understand them. this is probably why no one in america cared to protest. they’ll protest in their droves for same sex bathrooms, of course. 

There was hardly any warning this time -- they announced it and a couple weeks later, it was done.

We've had to fight healthcare repeal, a terrible tax bill being forced through, Russian assaults on our democratic process....we've got shit going on penman!! There wasn't time to rally the troops. Everybody that I've talked to cares very much, but nobody in government gives a good goddamn what the people think anymore.

The whole kit and kaboodle is going to court now anyway.

God bless