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mrmod

For all of you that haven't heard of him [Gary McKinnon - Wikipedia.

Do you think what they are doing is fair at all? By extraditing him to the US?.Huh

He was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome, and nothing done.. Do they really want to give him over or are they just bowing down to the US?Dodgy

Discuss. Undecided
no,i don't think it's fair at all,aspergers syndrome or not.if the government can't keep people from accessing their data[which they shouldn't try in the first place]who's fault is that?what worries me more is that the u.s government always gets anybody extradited they want,try to get any u.s citizen to stand trial in another country and you get nowhere.what kind of leaverage do they use?
yep i think it's fair. the guy committed a crime.
his actions damaged another persons (usa gov) property.
the fact he left messages saying they should tighten their security is irrelevant.
if he had been on your machine and it was left inoperable or parts of it left unaccessible wouldn't you want some kind of compensation. if they caught the guy.
lets just say he'd wiped all the pics of yur kids of the pc and you had no way of getting them back, at the end of the day he hacked someone elses machines. to say they should have had better security or used passwords is a crock of of shit.

might as well blame the shop keeper when his merchandise gets stolen of the houseowners when his house gets burgled. if it was a crime that like file sharing (sometimes without copyright permissions) which have more to do with social conscience and morality then i'd say a resounding no. as it is hacking is a crime. a solid crime not only against a machine but against a person and as such the person should face charges. if an extradition treaty exists then t should be allowed to be enforced.

all that said. the kids ill (we presume) so maybe the courts has a case to dispense leniency. if it's proved in court that the person was just doing it because he could, that he never meant to do any damage or steal any info. (which he was, he clearly states he was searching for secret docs re ufo's) then slap his wrist and give a small fine. if on the other hand it was a searching hack to gain info. give a him a big fine and if he has no cahs give the fucker some jail time. not too much but a bit at least. jmo
when your house gets burgled your stuff is gone,different then just having a look at stuff because you can.ofcourse in america he's not just gonna get a slap on the wrist but made an example of,prob. put away in some high security joint for years
(01-10-2010, 04:26 PM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]when your house gets burgled your stuff is gone,different then just having a look at stuff because you can.ofcourse in america he's not just gonna get a slap on the wrist but made an example of,prob. put away in some high security joint for years
i can't see that happening. i think if he has to go over there he'll get a big fine and fuck off back to the uk without paying it.
i know the concept of stuff not being on the pc being real but you work for a year writing something and save it on here only to have your hard drive get fucked and lose it. you wont be saying it's not real then. i lost a chapter of a book because of silly fuckin delete button, (my own fault) i'd have been devastated if i'd have lost the book. are yu saying it's okay for me to go into your emails and post them all over the place or leave you innocuous messages? me i think it's an out and out crime. cut the fuckers balls off.

i keep pics of my kids on here. i'd as soon as not have some pedo hacker take a peek and think mmmm.if it's private its private. if i put it to a cd and make it public or on a website even then i wont complain if it's used or abused.
yeh,allright on the hacking part but if you think this guy is going to get away that easy,you're dreaming
(01-10-2010, 08:10 PM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]yeh,allright on the hacking part but if you think this guy is going to get away that easy,you're dreaming
okay, maybe on the not getting away with it easy part :p

i think if he gets heavy jail time they'll be an uproar.

Benny2guns

Hacking is a crime, i hope he gets time.
I certanly do not agree with the U.S.A. always getting their way.
Someone needs to piss in their korn flakes.
They are goverened by ruthless money sucking vampires.

mrmod

(01-10-2010, 09:08 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-10-2010, 08:10 PM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]yeh,allright on the hacking part but if you think this guy is going to get away that easy,you're dreaming

i think if he gets heavy jail time they'll be an uproar.

The media will talk and people will be like "That's tragic" but he'll be the one stuck in Federal Prison. And they don't give you cookies for being smart there.

Also the guy hacked into pretty much a country. That's bound to piss alot of people off, do you reckon they will just think it was all jolly good fun and release him after a week.

They want to show what happens when you breach and get caught! But imagine for a second this guy was chinese...

Do you reckon China would be as willing to extradite the person? Maybe the UK is bowing down a bit too much.
(01-10-2010, 09:22 PM)SidewaysDan Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-10-2010, 09:08 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-10-2010, 08:10 PM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]yeh,allright on the hacking part but if you think this guy is going to get away that easy,you're dreaming
i think if he gets heavy jail time they'll be an uproar.
The media will talk and people will be like "That's tragic" but he'll be the one stuck in Federal Prison. And they don't give you cookies for being smart there.

Also the guy hacked into pretty much a country. That's bound to piss alot of people off, do you reckon they will just think it was all jolly good fun and release him after a week.

They want to show what happens when you breach and get caught! But imagine for a second this guy was chinese...

Do you reckon China would be as willing to extradite the person? Maybe the UK is bowing down a bit too much.
i agree, but by the time the media puts face on him the usa will love him.
i agree, but by the time the media puts face on him the usa will love him.
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yes,but he will still be in jail
btw the chinese would never extradite anybody to the us except dissidents to get rid of
(01-11-2010, 12:05 PM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]i agree, but by the time the media puts face on him the usa will love him.
yes,but he will still be in jail
btw the chinese would never extradite anybody to the us except dissidents to get rid of
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they prefer t let their diss's rot in some hellish hole.
away from the public eye.

mrmod

I still feel sorry for the fellow. He is a bit naïve and what he did is illegal but I think they blew it outta proportion Confused
i feel sorry for him to a point.

i hate when justice uses too heavy a hand.
and that may be the case here. i hope it isn't. he does deserve to be taken to court. he does deserve some punishment. but i agree he doesn't need horsewhipping.
the only thing he did was have some look at some info didn't he?he didn't destroy anything,he just did a bit of filesharing.Tongue
(01-12-2010, 12:17 PM)srijantje Wrote: [ -> ]the only thing he did was have some look at some info didn't he?he didn't destroy anything,he just did a bit of filesharing.Tongue
actually i think his tampering fucked up some software.
and he wasn't file sharing, come on. he was being a peeping tom and least. hacking is not file sharing.
o.k.but i still think he shouldn't be extradited,a bit of advanced surfing i would call it

Benny2guns

Hacking in this case if he were an American citizen could be treason. It's pretty serious what he did.

mrmod

But honestly, if you were the judge (hypothtically just assume that) would you extradite him to America?

Or would you not punish him most fittingly in the UK?
(01-13-2010, 03:14 AM)SidewaysDan Wrote: [ -> ]But honestly, if you were the judge (hypothtically just assume that) would you extradite him to America?

Or would you not punish him most fittingly in the UK?
yes. a severe crime doesn't always require a severe punishment but the guy should go to court in the usa. jmo
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