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Quote:Berlin, Germany (CNN) -- Multiculturalism in Germany has "absolutely failed," German Chancellor Angela Merkel told her party's youth wing at a conference Saturday.

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seems if you read the rest of the report the speech is really aimed at muslims.

if she and others can't see that it's to late to stop the multicultural society
in the west they need some kind of medical treatment. it's too late, it's here and it's here to say. should the west (europe)wish to become once again a secular group of countries they'll first have to disband the EU and regain control of their individual currencies and borders. to address muslims as the problem is for me a ploy in the blame game. i'd hate for these kind of remarks to continue down the path she's setting.
before my sojourn top the phills i thought uk and europe i general was a multi cultural as it could get.
you only have to look at machester, birmingham, london, amsterdam paris, and host of other places to see it.
i really belive nerkal is just jumping on sarkozi's bandwagon in order to gain party votes from the right wing of joe public.

thethingy

(10-19-2010, 07:35 AM)velvetfog Wrote: [ -> ]Multi-culturalism is a nice, very politically correct term, but I doubt that it works very well anywhere in Europe.

North America does far better in this regard.

The UK would be an exception, perhaps due to the old empire and the people that brought, there is the odd racist but anyone can come here and bring their church.
as long as it's not at ground zero.
and doesn't upset the clan, the usa may have a lot of cultures there but it's no different.
if anything i thing it's less tolerant as a nation of anything or body that doesn't fit in.
Though I've never been out and about much, I do feel that Canada is probably the most tolerant and hospitable country.
in the uk they pay benefits, give free health care and house you even if your from another country (with in the european market) we still have a lot of prejudice though. does canada have a large percentage of of non canadians living there? our gov pays for muslim schools etc

thethingy

(10-19-2010, 04:23 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]in the uk they pay benefits, give free health care and house you even if your from another country (with in the european market) we still have a lot of prejudice though. does canada have a large percentage of of non canadians living there? our gov pays for muslim schools etc

^^It's within the Commonwealth and the EU....................
(10-19-2010, 06:28 PM)thethingy Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-19-2010, 04:23 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]in the uk they pay benefits, give free health care and house you even if your from another country (with in the european market) we still have a lot of prejudice though. does canada have a large percentage of of non canadians living there? our gov pays for muslim schools etc
^^It's within the Commonwealth and the EU....................
canada is in the EU Huh

many african states are in the commonwealth but i wouldn't call most of them multi cultural
(10-19-2010, 04:23 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]does canada have a large percentage of of non canadians living there? our gov pays for muslim schools etc

Absolutely, with some provinces having more immigrants than others, especially the major cities such as Toronto and Vancouver.

There are approximately 47 islamic schools across Canada, and depending on provincial policies, Islamic schools, like most other private schools, may or may not receive government funding. Catholic schools however do receive funding in some of Canada's provinces.


Why the hell should Catholic schools receive funding
if not all the rest of the secular schools aren't?
Personally I don't think the state should fund these types of schools
with their "bible based" curriculum.
Most of what some of them teach is just BS
as least as far as "science theory" goes.
As far as Merkels goes; she is simply a bigoted asshole.
C.B.
(10-19-2010, 08:53 PM)cigarbabe Wrote: [ -> ]
Why the hell should Catholic schools receive funding
if not all the rest of the secular schools aren't?

I agree with you ... if one religious school is to receive funding then they all should equally.

(10-19-2010, 08:53 PM)cigarbabe Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I don't think the state should fund these types of schools
with their "bible based" curriculum.
Most of what some of them teach is just BS
as least as far as "science theory" goes.

But that's your opinion as with many other's.
Religious people believe otherwise. Why should their children be made to attend schools that teach in their opinion/belief wrongful teachings?
I understand that they are not forced to attend ... perhaps to an extent, maybe a bit, if the parents are unable to provide funding to private schools themselves.
I'm not an overly religious person, but I do not believe fully what the public school system teaches in reguards to science and our beginning.

(10-19-2010, 08:53 PM)cigarbabe Wrote: [ -> ]As far as Merkels goes; she is simply a bigoted asshole.
C.B.
That I also agree with.

(10-20-2010, 12:10 AM)velvetfog Wrote: [ -> ]I consider myself fortunate, in that I live in a society where multiculturalism works quite well.
We call it Canada.

I do too. I find that Canadians not only tolerate mulitcultalism we encourage and embrace it.

(10-19-2010, 08:53 PM)cigarbabe Wrote: [ -> ]Why the hell should Catholic schools receive funding
if not all the rest of the secular schools aren't?
Personally I don't think the state should fund these types of schools
with their "bible based" curriculum.
Most of what some of them teach is just BS
as least as far as "science theory" goes.
As far as Merkels goes; she is simply a bigoted asshole.
C.B.
religion isn't the problem. many of the islamic schools don't allow non islamic pupils, many teach english as the second and sometimes third language. religious education is an islamic eduaction. all other religions are ignored or villified,

catholic schools in the uk teach the kids about Islam, Judaism, and many more religions. the islamic schools are supposed to but they don't. it's now at the stage where school are generally muslim populated or christian populated.

at one point i was told my child had to go to a certain school. the school had 18 non muslims in it and 40 something white kids out of 450. the teachers seldom spoke to my child in class. when i complained about it i was told "we'll put her in another school" i later found out it was the poicy to only put a small percentage of christian white kids in the muslim schools in order to stop the muslim community from complaining. we don't have that many muslim schools but they exist. to a point, catholic schools are the same. though it's more a, you have to be catholic to join thing, they do still teach all about other religions though. i went to one as akid 45 years ago and was often told that others with different religions were as good as everyone else. that just because a person believed in another god they weren't bad.

in general i think we do have a multicultural society in the uk and across europe. i think it's been that way for the last 20 years at least. merkal is as i siad. trying to get support for her party from the right wing.

as far as religious education in a catholic school goes. i'd say 2 hours a week if that spent on religious study. i don't see that as too much as long as part of that time is spent teaching about other religions. for me it's the extreme right christians who stir shit. we only have to look ate the twat who wanted to burn the koran, i doubt you'd ever get that from a catholic church's priest....they much prefer to spend their free time kiddy diddling.

so no i don't think it's failed. i just think it's a little overextended
(10-20-2010, 12:17 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]so no i don't think it's failed. i just think it's a little overextended

Good point and something which often happens in an effort to accommodate.

thanks for seeing my point. sometimes we forget and instead of treating people equally we treat them with deference.

mrmod

Multiculturalism has not failed in Germany. Germany has failed Multiculturalism - the gap in equality between whites and well, muslims (majority Turks) I don't think has been addressed seriously enough by Merkel's government.

As to the UK - a lot needs to be worked on. And time needs to be given. But by the sheer force of numbers, Britain has been forced into a multicultural society. There are some who complain, on both sides, but in general the UK is more tolerant than most European countries (just to mention France and Sweden for example.)
I am in a newly-industrialized country where immigration is obviously not a hot topic (heck, most of my countrymen immigrate away from here) so my perspective on this subject is admittedly limited. But to me it sounds strange to say multiculturalism has "failed"... multiculturalism is happening naturally.
I agree that as long as you give every culture/religion equal treatment/regard under the law, then you will strike a balance that will allow it to organically happen. Here in the philippines we're still struggling with it, but things are getting better (I think?) just based on what I remember as a kid. We have a dominantly Christian population with a Muslim population living in a semi-autonomous region (I guess what would be Quebec for Canada) as well as little pockets of Chinese ... but when you're all just working hard to put food on the table like everyone else, the tensions become a little less relevant. Mind you, we're still a long way away from electing a Muslim president, but mutual understanding/respect is where it starts.

mrmod

(10-22-2010, 10:30 AM)addy Wrote: [ -> ]mutual understanding/respect is where it starts.

True. But that is never going to exist in full. Everywhere you go there will be inequality and that will lead to bitterness and lack of mutual respect.

thethingy

(10-19-2010, 08:53 PM)cigarbabe Wrote: [ -> ]Why the hell should Catholic schools receive funding
if not all the rest of the secular schools aren't?
Personally I don't think the state should fund these types of schools
with their "bible based" curriculum.
Most of what some of them teach is just BS
as least as far as "science theory" goes.
As far as Merkels goes; she is simply a bigoted asshole.
C.B.

What country are you on about?, In the UK the state funds the C of E and the RC and C of S schools only in the monetary amount that they spend on all schools on a pupil amount basis and all schools in any event must teach the national curriculum at the very minimum.
(10-23-2010, 10:17 PM)thethingy Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-19-2010, 08:53 PM)cigarbabe Wrote: [ -> ]Why the hell should Catholic schools receive funding
if not all the rest of the secular schools aren't?
Personally I don't think the state should fund these types of schools
with their "bible based" curriculum.
Most of what some of them teach is just BS
as least as far as "science theory" goes.
As far as Merkels goes; she is simply a bigoted asshole.
C.B.
What country are you on about?, In the UK the state funds the C of E and the RC and C of S schools only in the monetary amount that they spend on all schools on a pupil amount basis and all schools in any event must teach the national curriculum at the very minimum.
in the uk. and thats more or less what i said. the difference is in many asin and muslim run schools a lot of the lessons are in urdu, reverse predjudice is often used. they must teach teach the national curriculum, yes but many don't there get out card is to shout racisicm. it's one of the reason many scools now have a very small population of white kids in them. a different ethnicity will place their children in a school and then demand they be treated a certain way. pretty soon theres no talk of xmas or any other christian holiday but everyone is taking part in ramadam.
the uk isn't america.

it doesn't teach that the earth began 6 thousand year ago. they do teach darwinism. and they do teach about other religions.
my argument if thats what it was; was that they should all receive the same and behave the same way towards their pupils. this they categorically do not.

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