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i agree. it's the buyers and sellers that need the most punishment.
^^^ ditto here.
i always find plea bargaining repulsive for some reason,specially when it's instigated by the authorities
the "you tell us and you get less sentence"thing
True, but if in the end you get the violator doesn't that somewhat justify it?
somewhat,it depends also for what they're using it,it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth

mrmod

In this case it works out quite well. Other instances it doesn't.

If it's a pedophile ring I don't think the sentence should be cut down. There is really no middle men per se in a pedophile ring so they are all guilty of their own actions. In the tiger case the woman probably wasn't very rich and she was looking out for easy money. She was basically a nobody in the business.

But in this case I think a lot of valuable information could be extracted. Putting her in jail for 20 years is paying to keep her alive for 20 years. Putting her in for 5 and getting the names of buyers and sellers widens the picture a bit and is less hard on government money.

there must be a clever way of preventing things like this,what about putting tracers in these animals?could that work to some extend?

altezon


That could encourage surgery to remove them.
i suppose branding could be an option. though i'm against it. tattooing but they could be cut out.
the only way is to lock up those who buy these animals and those who sell them.

i hate grasses as well sj but for some reason i can understand why these people act as mules.
if it's a given that they'll just get a fine and a short prison sentence instead of ten or 15 years. it night make the purchaser think twice. it might also encourage the mule to get some kind of identity of the buyer, knowing if he gets caught he'll get a reduced sentence.
barganing with sex crimes and crimes of violence i don't agree with .
locking up people in cases like this is not a solution,for every one you lock up there's 2 more to step in
thats why i think we should give leniency if they out the buyer, whose usually a well heeled person with a big mansion and lots of land. now those kind of people will think twice if there's an international law that hands out 20 year jail terms for being the end buyer of an exotic animal or the breeder that sells it.
Tracers? that would involved a lot of animals and as altezon pointed out surgery would solve that.
Now that I agree with ... 20 years for the end buyer living in his mansion on the hill.

altezon

(09-08-2010, 01:03 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]thats why i think we should give leniency if they out the buyer, whose usually a well heeled person with a big mansion and lots of land. now those kind of people will think twice if there's an international law that hands out 20 year jail terms for being the end buyer of an exotic animal or the breeder that sells it.

I don't think it would be an international law. But there might be treaties where the signatories agree to pass their own criminal laws.
that's what i'm on about.
i think paedophilia is one such crime where that happens.

altezon


(09-08-2010, 03:06 PM)altezon Wrote: [ -> ]There might be treaties where the signatories agree to pass their own criminal laws.

(09-08-2010, 05:34 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]i think paedophilia is one such crime where that happens.

There's no such treaty I can find, not even between the EU states.

(09-10-2010, 10:09 PM)altezon Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-08-2010, 03:06 PM)altezon Wrote: [ -> ]There might be treaties where the signatories agree to pass their own criminal laws.

(09-08-2010, 05:34 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]i think paedophilia is one such crime where that happens.

There's no such treaty I can find, not even between the EU states.
The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) is an international treaty that legally obliges states to protect children's rights. Articles 34 and 35 of the CRC require states to protect children from all forms of sexual exploitation and sexual abuse. This includes outlawing the coercion of a child to perform sexual activity, the prostitution of children, and the exploitation of children in creating pornography. States are also required to prevent the abduction, sale, or trafficking of children.[161] As of November 2008, 193 countries are bound by the CRC,[162] including every member of the United Nations except the United States and Somalia.[163][164]

the above aside. i think a workable treaty on such things as animal transportation under such circumstance where exotic animals and wildlife are being illegally taken for the wild or other places should have some kind of universal deterrent
(09-11-2010, 06:20 AM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) is an international treaty that legally obliges states to protect children's rights. Articles 34 and 35 of the CRC require states to protect children from all forms of sexual exploitation and sexual abuse. This includes outlawing the coercion of a child to perform sexual activity, the prostitution of children, and the exploitation of children in creating pornography. States are also required to prevent the abduction, sale, or trafficking of children.[161] As of November 2008, 193 countries are bound by the CRC,[162] including every member of the United Nations except the United States and Somalia.[163][164]

Gosh, you'd never know that existed with the hordes of children still suffering from sexual abuse. I had watched a program a couple of years ago where in Mexico girls as young as 9 were being dressed up in pretty little white conformation dresses and forced to service men on an hourly bases. The nasties were carried out in make shift tents of isolated areas, each girl had a timer. Most of the clients coming in were from the U.S.. And it wasn't just low-life scum bags, it was American business men with children of their own. Fuck! what is wrong with men?

(09-11-2010, 06:20 AM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]the above aside. i think a workable treaty on such things as animal transportation under such circumstance where exotic animals and wildlife are being illegally taken for the wild or other places should have some kind of universal deterrent

That sounds great if the penelties are stiff enough to deter.
It's great having all these laws, but they don't seem to be enforced enough.
Some good news quote ... bulls will no longer suffer a slow, painful and terrifying death in Catalonia's bullrings. History was made when the Catalonian Parliament voted to approve an amendment of the current animal protection legislation and ban bullfighting within the region. MPs voted resoundingly in favour of a ban this morning - 68 voted for the ban, 55 voted against the ban and 9 abstained - marking a historic end to a long and hard-fought campaign. The ban will come into effect on January 1st 2012.




off topic. most of those girls have mothers. and i would presume the men who run such things have wives that know about it.

the men who use the kids for sex. i agree Angry fuck what's wrong with men

(09-11-2010, 11:24 AM)kath3 Wrote: [ -> ]That sounds great if the penelties are stiff enough to deter.
It's great having all these laws, but they don't seem to be enforced enough.
Some good news quote ... bulls will no longer suffer a slow, painful and terrifying death in Catalonia's bullrings. History was made when the Catalonian Parliament voted to approve an amendment of the current animal protection legislation and ban bullfighting within the region. MPs voted resoundingly in favour of a ban this morning - 68 voted for the ban, 55 voted against the ban and 9 abstained - marking a historic end to a long and hard-fought campaign. The ban will come into effect on January 1st 2012.
back on topic;
i'm sure the law above will be enforced. but sad though it is bulls aren't near extinction. (it's stilt a good law in my opinion though)

the animal smuggling is a whole different ball game with the end buyers seldom being punished. who cares if a sheik has two black leopards on a chain in a middle east country or some rich businessman wants to use tigers in a las vegas show. (not that the latter got the cats illegally) i just think it's extremely funny when they get attacked Smile. the law to punish these people should in my opinion be a global deterrent that works. and as you say carry stiff enough penelties to make them stop.
sadly i can't see it happening and as usual it will just be the poor mules who do the smuggling that get penalised and not the ones who instigated the act.

mrmod

(09-11-2010, 11:24 AM)kath3 Wrote: [ -> ]That sounds great if the penelties are stiff enough to deter.
It's great having all these laws, but they don't seem to be enforced enough.
Some good news quote ... bulls will no longer suffer a slow, painful and terrifying death in Catalonia's bullrings. History was made when the Catalonian Parliament voted to approve an amendment of the current animal protection legislation and ban bullfighting within the region. MPs voted resoundingly in favour of a ban this morning - 68 voted for the ban, 55 voted against the ban and 9 abstained - marking a historic end to a long and hard-fought campaign. The ban will come into effect on January 1st 2012.

Look across the border, it still happens Wink. And it won't disappear any time soon...

But let's thread on-topic now Wink...
I agree that cross-border legislation is a very good step.
But the fact that even human rights concerns are still major issue makes me worry how well this could be enforced.

It makes me sick, but posters here made very good points about this being a "game" of economics, and the way to hit this illegal industries hard is to level harsher punishment on their consumers. Screw getting a measly jail sentence/probation for people caught with child pornography. They are hurting children in a very real way by sustaining a slave trade, and should be punished as such. Same should go for rich people caught buying/trading in exotic animals.
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