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it's been discussed before but i think it's worthy of a review.
so here it is, the gun law thread. what are your views. of the judement and the law as it stands in all or in individual states?

WASHINGTON (Indiana's NewsCenter/ABC News) - On the last day of its term, the Supreme Court greatly expanded the reach of the Second Amendment of the constitution by bringing state and local authorities within its scope.

In striking down a sweeping gun-control law in Chicago, the court is saying the right to own a firearm forbids an outright ban on guns, though it also says the right is not absolute.

Never before has the high court explicitly applied second amendment protections beyond the federal government.

For the first time Monday, the Supreme Court said the Second Amendment's right to bear arms applies to cities and states, and that 76-year-old Otis McDonald has a right to keep a handgun in his home for self-defense.

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In Chicago, 52 people were shot--8 killed-- over Father's Day weekend, bullets wounded 13 people in five hours last weekend. Here, the Supreme Court ruling is personal.
you know,it's not much different than in the tribal belt,there every male walks around armed to the teeth,i remember people telling me that [at the time]in Peshawar stealing was virtually unheard of,90% of crime was murder,usually with fire arms,maybe for slightly different reasons like somebody looking at somebody elses sister and bang,bloodfeud for generations
it just seems easier for the population as a whole to take a life when
everyone lives in a gun culture. it's like saying you have the right to kill
someone because they broke into your house. is that how it should be?
it's very difficult to figure this one,one would say it has to do with a certain mentality,but why is there such a huge difference between the usa and canada in this respect,on one side of the border people go down in hails of bullets every day and just on the other side the last shootout was months ago
the 2nd amendment played a big part in it. (not sure if canada has the right to bear arms)
people often think it's just x cons who shouldn't be allowed to carry or own a gun but know a lot
of people who i think are either too stupid to be in charge of a firearm or too crazy.
let people have a hand gun by all means but for one person to have several (unless he's in a gun club is ridiculous.
at least it says the right to own a gun is not absolute.

altezon

I don't think Canada has a constitution, does it? The NRA does have a point when it says that, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". That has a double meaning: criminals (and police) will remain armed, because they don't obey the laws; and people who try to protect themselves from armed criminals (and police) by remaining armed will themselves be considered criminals. Ex-felons are pretty much universally banned from owning guns already, and the NRA has no interest in restoring their 2nd-Amendment rights.
i see your point about when guns are outlawed etc,but how come so many people die in your country from shootouts as opposed to europe where gun owner ship is severely restricted?

altezon

I don't know. What are the numbers per capita?

altezon

Quote:Due to the many confounding factors that arise when attempting international comparisons, this approach would appear to hold little promise for determining the influence of gun levels (or handgun availability) on violence rates.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html

Interesting. [Image: hmm.gif]
well,in switzerland everybody who's been in the army takes home his automatic weapon so there's ten of thousands around yet gun violence is very low,there are a few high profile cases but...i guess it must be a mentality thing

altezon

Contrary to popular opinion, we don't normally double-tap our neighbors in the head. One shot is usually enough.
well,there you go
i'd think that the fact soldiers who take their sidearms home
are properly trained in the use of a weapon means it's less likely to be misused
or stolen. then there's the fact that most soldiers aren't in street gangs or unemployed
makes a difference.

you arm or allow the unemployed, gang members, and untrained to buy or own a firearm and you are in my opinion asking for a shit load of trouble. for me the problem isn't that people own firearms. the problem lays in the fact that anyone can own one without an actual check up in many states.

all it needs if you're an ex con is a fake id.

there have a been a few gun rings exposed. they buy multiple weapons from multiple shops and sell them in mexico etc. (don't have the source but it is a fact)
some states have brought in laws where you can walk in and buy the gun then and there.

i still say if anyone buys a gun, they should be taught how to use it and store it. they should be tested like a driver. taught how to maintain it and when not to use it. they should also be only allowed one firearm each. of course hunters etc should be allowed their rifles. but that's it.

i'm pretty sure any petty criminal if he wanted, could get a gun within a day in the states.
in the uk it's not so easy. yes some criminals have guns but in general it's not a gun culture

altezon

(07-05-2010, 09:57 AM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]The problem isn't that people own firearms. the problem lays in the fact that anyone can own one without an actual check up in many states.

Some states have brought in laws where you can walk in and buy the gun then and there.

I'm pretty sure any petty criminal if he wanted, could get a gun within a day in the states.

Au contraire, mon frère:

The federal Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits firearms possession by certain categories of individuals:

#Anyone who is under the age of 18, except with the written permission of their parent or guardian.

#Anyone who has been convicted in a federal court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year, excluding crimes of imprisonment that are related to the regulation of business practices.

#Anyone who has been convicted in a state court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 2 years, excluding crimes of imprisonment that are related to the regulation of business practices.

#Anyone who is a fugitive from justice.

#Anyone who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance.

#Anyone who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution.

#Any alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa.

#Anyone who has been discharged from the US Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions.

#Anyone who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship.

#Anyone that is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner.

#Anyone who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. (See the Lautenberg Amendment.)

A person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year cannot lawfully receive a firearm. Such person may continue to lawfully possess firearms obtained prior to the indictment or information.

All dealers, manufacturers and importers must verify that a firearm purchaser is not a "prohibited person" and must receive authorization from the computerized National Instant Check System before the firearm may be taken. (The NICS is administered by the FBI). Private sales between individuals aren't federally regulated if the firearm doesn't cross a state boundary.

States may impose additional restrictions, such as prohibiting sales to non-residents. [Image: coffee.gif]

http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/138329
http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/191003
in some states personal sales of firearms is allowed between to residents.
again many states do an over the phone fbi check.
i meant it wouldn't be hard for a criminal to actually pretend to be someone else.
you pic on someone elses id such as a driving licence and re-laminated would do the trick.

it's that instant check thing thats for me is the fly in the gun law ointment.
and the shop owners don't give a toss enough to double check, they lose too much money when they do that.

oops just read the last one. which in and of itself allows a criminal to simply say he's someone else and buy an advertised gun of choice. sort of defeats the object for me.
basically all the laws are ineffective Smile

altezon

Firearm dealers have to be federally-licensed, and the NICS check is mandantory in all states.
I don't think it's so easy to say you're someone else in this country. The main ID is a state driver's license, and any state can access driver license records of any other state. So you have to have the license of an actual person who's been licensed. Or, if you aren't licensed to drive some states issue an ID that looks like a driver's license but has the words, "NOT A LICENSE TO DRIVE" emblazoned across the top. You need other checkable ID like a certified birth certificate to get either one. Laminations are on the way out -- holographic plastic and magnetic strips are on the way in.
Authorities are still searching for a Rio Grande City woman after busting a Starr County-based gun ring.

A federal grand jury indicted Jeniffer Lopez and nine others on federal firearms charges last week.

U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, & Explosives (ATF) agents arrested two ringleaders and seven suspects but 28-year-old Lopez remains at large.

The group is accused of “straw purchasing” about 60 high-powered handguns and assault rifles between December 2008 and April 2009.

Straw purchasing is buying a gun for a criminal or someone else. The federal crime is punishable up to five years in prison.

Court records obtained by Action 4 News show the group bought the weapons at:

source:

i can't see this being a one off. more likely it's just the tip of the ice berg

as for fake id's.; just look at all the bag thefts, burglaries, robberies etc. all it takes to fake a passport thats just going to visually checked is a scalpel and pic..

identity theft is rife. i'd say getting fake id is the easiest thing in the world to do. look how many underage drinkers use a brothers or stolen id to buy booze?

altezon

I don't know the numbers here, and my imagination won't supply them. But I can say I've never seen anyone use a passport for ID. Maybe I should hang out more at the airport. [Image: yup.gif]
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