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If you submit a poem for publication to a poetry journal or magazine, is it wise to have it posted on a poetry site such as this, especially when you claim that it has not been published previously?
It depends on the journal. Some consider these sites to constitute "publication", though it's a pretty dodgy concept since this is a workshop for raw material, not a showcase for finished work. If in doubt, post in the "members only" forum where google etc can't visit.

If there are poems that you want moved, any of the mods can do it for you, just send us a message.
(10-22-2013, 05:29 AM)ChristopherSea Wrote: [ -> ]If you submit a poem for publication, is it wise to have it posted on a poetry site such as this, especially when you claim that it has not been published previously?

Hi chris,
The question should be ...is it wise to submit a poem for publication!
Look, what you write is YOURS. You own the copyright even if you do not claim the copyright.
When you "submit" (and how true the word is) you hope it will be accepted. Once the publisher "decides" to publish one must assume it is to the advantage of both parties...you and the publisher. If it is CONDITIONAL, and stated so, that the work is YOURS and has NOT been published elsewhere...then disclosure is the answer. If the poem is deemed to be good enough to advantage the publisher, a previous posting on a site such as this will not be a cause for exclusion. You should note the number of times I say "your poem" in crit. It IS your poem. No matter that suggestions of "others" were taken up...that could happen if you read it to your postman.
Best,
Tom
PS. It is better if you are ASKED by a publisher than if you ASK the publisher...though one happens more than the other.Smile
(10-22-2013, 05:29 AM)ChristopherSea Wrote: [ -> ]If you submit a poem for publication to a poetry journal or magazine, is it wise to have it posted on a poetry site such as this, especially when you claim that it has not been published previously?

Depends on the journal or magazine. I wouldn't recommend spamming your poetry to every avenue available (and some have policies against simultaneous submissions anyway) so it is probably a good idea to get to know your platform first. Most do have submission policies, it doesn't hurt to ask in advance. If you had a particular piece that you thought was the perfect selection for a specific platform and you were concerned it might affect your chances you should probably have us move it or delete it. Or, you could just write another poem for.said magazine or journal.
(10-22-2013, 05:39 AM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]It depends on the journal. Some consider these sites to constitute "publication", though it's a pretty dodgy concept since this is a workshop for raw material, not a showcase for finished work. If in doubt, post in the "members only" forum where google etc can't visit.

If there are poems that you want moved, any of the mods can do it for you, just send us a message.

OK thanks, I was afraid of that. I saw one that I submitted being read by google.

(10-22-2013, 05:42 AM)tectak Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013, 05:29 AM)ChristopherSea Wrote: [ -> ]If you submit a poem for publication, is it wise to have it posted on a poetry site such as this, especially when you claim that it has not been published previously?

Hi chris,
The question should be ...is it wise to submit a poem for publication!
Look, what you write is YOURS. You own the copyright even if you do not claim the copyright.
When you "submit" (and how true the word is) you hope it will be accepted. Once the publisher "decides" to publish one must assume it is to the advantage of both parties...you and the publisher. If it is CONDITIONAL, and stated so, that the work is YOURS and has NOT been published elsewhere...then disclosure is the answer. If the poem is deemed to be good enough to advantage the publisher, a previous posting on a site such as this will not be a cause for exclusion. You should note the number of times I say "your poem" in crit. It IS your poem. No matter that suggestions of "others" were taken up...that could happen if you read it to your postman.
Best,
Tom
PS. It is better if you are ASKED by a publisher than if you ASK the publisher...though one happens more than the other.Smile

Alright, I assumed that one could take it down off the site if accepted. However, I would assume that any prudent publisher would do a search before contacting the poet. If they do find it here, it could be reason enough not to accept it. Leanne may have the best solution.

(10-22-2013, 07:04 AM)milo Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013, 05:29 AM)ChristopherSea Wrote: [ -> ]If you submit a poem for publication to a poetry journal or magazine, is it wise to have it posted on a poetry site such as this, especially when you claim that it has not been published previously?

Depends on the journal or magazine. I wouldn't recommend spamming your poetry to every avenue available (and some have policies against simultaneous submissions anyway) so it is probably a good idea to get to know your platform first. Most do have submission policies, it doesn't hurt to ask in advance. If you had a particular piece that you thought was the perfect selection for a specific platform and you were concerned it might affect your chances you should probably have us move it or delete it. Or, you could just write another poem for.said magazine or journal.

I doubt that any publisher would ask me to write an original for them. It's hard enough to get a single poem published in a respectable journal.
(10-22-2013, 07:17 AM)ChristopherSea Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013, 05:39 AM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]It depends on the journal. Some consider these sites to constitute "publication", though it's a pretty dodgy concept since this is a workshop for raw material, not a showcase for finished work. If in doubt, post in the "members only" forum where google etc can't visit.

If there are poems that you want moved, any of the mods can do it for you, just send us a message.

OK thanks, I was afraid of that. I saw one that I submitted being read by google.

(10-22-2013, 05:42 AM)tectak Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013, 05:29 AM)ChristopherSea Wrote: [ -> ]If you submit a poem for publication, is it wise to have it posted on a poetry site such as this, especially when you claim that it has not been published previously?

Hi chris,
The question should be ...is it wise to submit a poem for publication!
Look, what you write is YOURS. You own the copyright even if you do not claim the copyright.
When you "submit" (and how true the word is) you hope it will be accepted. Once the publisher "decides" to publish one must assume it is to the advantage of both parties...you and the publisher. If it is CONDITIONAL, and stated so, that the work is YOURS and has NOT been published elsewhere...then disclosure is the answer. If the poem is deemed to be good enough to advantage the publisher, a previous posting on a site such as this will not be a cause for exclusion. You should note the number of times I say "your poem" in crit. It IS your poem. No matter that suggestions of "others" were taken up...that could happen if you read it to your postman.
Best,
Tom
PS. It is better if you are ASKED by a publisher than if you ASK the publisher...though one happens more than the other.Smile

Alright, I assumed that one could take it down off the site if accepted. However, I would assume that any prudent publisher would do a search before contacting the poet. If they do find it here, it could be reason enough not to accept it. Leanne may have the best solution.

(10-22-2013, 07:04 AM)milo Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013, 05:29 AM)ChristopherSea Wrote: [ -> ]If you submit a poem for publication to a poetry journal or magazine, is it wise to have it posted on a poetry site such as this, especially when you claim that it has not been published previously?

Depends on the journal or magazine. I wouldn't recommend spamming your poetry to every avenue available (and some have policies against simultaneous submissions anyway) so it is probably a good idea to get to know your platform first. Most do have submission policies, it doesn't hurt to ask in advance. If you had a particular piece that you thought was the perfect selection for a specific platform and you were concerned it might affect your chances you should probably have us move it or delete it. Or, you could just write another poem for.said magazine or journal.

I doubt that any publisher would ask me to write an original for them. It's hard enough to get a single poem published in a respectable journal.

You misunderstood me. I meant to write a fresh poem to be submitted to your choice forum unasked. Of course then you should probably work shop it first . . .
(10-22-2013, 08:51 AM)milo Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013, 07:17 AM)ChristopherSea Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013, 05:39 AM)Leanne Wrote: [ -> ]It depends on the journal. Some consider these sites to constitute "publication", though it's a pretty dodgy concept since this is a workshop for raw material, not a showcase for finished work. If in doubt, post in the "members only" forum where google etc can't visit.

If there are poems that you want moved, any of the mods can do it for you, just send us a message.

OK thanks, I was afraid of that. I saw one that I submitted being read by google.

(10-22-2013, 05:42 AM)tectak Wrote: [ -> ]Hi chris,
The question should be ...is it wise to submit a poem for publication!
Look, what you write is YOURS. You own the copyright even if you do not claim the copyright.
When you "submit" (and how true the word is) you hope it will be accepted. Once the publisher "decides" to publish one must assume it is to the advantage of both parties...you and the publisher. If it is CONDITIONAL, and stated so, that the work is YOURS and has NOT been published elsewhere...then disclosure is the answer. If the poem is deemed to be good enough to advantage the publisher, a previous posting on a site such as this will not be a cause for exclusion. You should note the number of times I say "your poem" in crit. It IS your poem. No matter that suggestions of "others" were taken up...that could happen if you read it to your postman.
Best,
Tom
PS. It is better if you are ASKED by a publisher than if you ASK the publisher...though one happens more than the other.Smile

Alright, I assumed that one could take it down off the site if accepted. However, I would assume that any prudent publisher would do a search before contacting the poet. If they do find it here, it could be reason enough not to accept it. Leanne may have the best solution.

(10-22-2013, 07:04 AM)milo Wrote: [ -> ]Depends on the journal or magazine. I wouldn't recommend spamming your poetry to every avenue available (and some have policies against simultaneous submissions anyway) so it is probably a good idea to get to know your platform first. Most do have submission policies, it doesn't hurt to ask in advance. If you had a particular piece that you thought was the perfect selection for a specific platform and you were concerned it might affect your chances you should probably have us move it or delete it. Or, you could just write another poem for.said magazine or journal.

I doubt that any publisher would ask me to write an original for them. It's hard enough to get a single poem published in a respectable journal.

You misunderstood me. I meant to write a fresh poem to be submitted to your choice forum unasked. Of course then you should probably work shop it first . . .

Right, thanks.