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is this word offensive to anyone else?
i hear chains.
i would rather be called disabled.
these fables of crazy folk,
such a fucking joke?
when everyone else just loves to toke
and poop

rowens

It depends on how people treat you. Stigma still gets around. Like racism or sexism or something.

Word gets around that you're supposed to be crazy. So people take for granted that everything you say is only a symptom of some disorder.
yea man.

rowens

One of the doctors near Boston said that what some considered my disorganized thinking was actually intentional and part of my worldview; and that you can't necessarily "cure" a worldview. Though few agreed with her at the time.
i agree. when i worked with kids there was a kindergardener named erik. he could not say who was a bad or good guy. by the end of the year i taught how to read and white. and i taught him good vs evil. the world is grey, so is my thinking.
It's a strange concept. I say that, because I think I have been "diagnosed" as mentally ill and yet as long as I am conscious of myself, my thoughts and my actions, I will never, and by my reckoning will never be "mentally ill." I don't think anyone who is very conscious of their thoughts and actions should ever be deemed mentally ill.

Humanity has an upside-down and backwards way of dealing with the human heart and mind.
The issue of mental health is prevalant when people argue about gun control. We don't have a problem with guns in this country we have a problem with mental illness. I like Rose's compassion. The DSMIV or whatever used to call homosexuality a mental illness. As long as the behaviour is not injurous (and this word is ambiguous) I don't think the person needs to necessarily be called ill. I see the word ill as the negation of healthy what is a mentally healthy person?

Kvathairein

i remember reading a mag on my smoko break back in 2005 it said that the majority of all human behavioural types will be classified as a disorder by 2015. but yeah. just take em pills.
when we talk of mentally ill, are we talking crazy people, if so most of my friends would be considered crazy; misfits to say the least. for me, mental problem comes into being when the person or society are in real danger of being harmed. i think that can be said for most of my friends, or should i say x friends (as i lost contact with many when i moved) crazy bastards for me are often special people in a good way. bi polar bears often get a bad rep. most of us switch from one state to another pretty quick given a chance. i did find out through experimentation as a child that you can't wank yourself to death though you can turn partially japanese for short periods of time.
who defines mental illness. i see some one sad or down and for me they're sad bastards. i see myself the same way when i'm down. (i'm normally a very happy person but it does happen) i'm okay now but upto my late thirties i was quite a violent person. (not asking you to believe me Big Grin ) i think i was seen as normal but aggressive. maybe if i lived next door to rowens i'd have been placed in a straight jacket. if i'm honest, i struggle to see the woes of others. i can't comprehend how people can fall so hard or so deep they can't stand up afterwards. i know i'll get the "walk in my shoes" comments, and rightly so considering my post, but to be honest i see those shoes as carpet slippers compared to some of my earlier footwear. i see some depressing posts on site and i'm not sure how to take them. (they don't bother me ) just saying. maybe it's why i'm a low life and not an analyst Smile

rowens

My mom had a friend with a three year old little girl that was on medication for bipolar disorder. I said I thought that was stupid. I think lots of things are stupid. And boring. I can't help it. I've let them put me on medication several times throughout my life; but on the drugs, people only seem to be more stupid and boring to me. And just as uptight and mean and petty.

I don't think that about all people. There have been many people that I really liked; but those people seem to thrive on doing whatever they can to fit in and impress the boring, stupid, uptight, petty people.

I suppose it's like how people treat politicians. They see how boring, stupid, uptight and petty they are; and I say, then don't vote for them. And with women: they complain about all the men acting like embarrassing jerks and wounding them; and I say, if you don't like men like that, stop rewarding them by fucking them. You keep treating them like kings, they'll keep thinking that they can get away with anything. If I can tell that a guy's a dirtbag just by seeing a picture of him, they're bound to be able to know it before they start dating him.

They all thrive on this stuff though. They'd be nothing without it.

Sometimes I sit alone for hours, trying to understand what it is about me that stands out as being crazy, compared to all the stupid nonsense the other people around here are up to. I figured I'm too self-conscious. Thinking too much, and trying to understand how things work, why things happen, and what's going on with people and other things in this world: that's unhealthy. But that's my morbid fascination with being alive. Whenever I'm out enjoying the simple experience of being alive, people threaten and ridicule me. That's how I formed the opinion that so many people are uptight and boring.
getting personal here for a second, yes rowens, you seem to be too self conscious. from your posts the world to you is all about you and your suffering. before anyone attacks me, i think many people are the same. i have no idea as to what happened in your life apart from what you share and boy do you share Hysterical I'm one of those nasty people who think that some people walk round with victim written on their foreheads in big capped letters that any bully, thug or manipulator of robber can read from a very long distance. i have a few friends who always seem to get shit on or picked at. (or should i say used to have before i came here) my eldest used to stick up for the kids that got bullied at her school, (she was the cock of the school( best fighter)) she'd tell me that the body language of some invite people to bully them, and so she'd sit or stand by them till it happened. kassy (my daughter) was a violent person so she used the weak as an outlet i guess and bullied the people who were bullies, or just beat them up Big Grin

back to you rowens, did you ever consider the fact that maybe it was because you sat alone for hours (doing what you do) that made people see you as crazy...(btw, i don't see you as crazy as much as i see you as talkative and introspective)

you say; trying to understand how things work, why things happen, and what's going on with people and other things in this world:

personally i like reading people, if you ask addy or others they'll probably say i'm pretty good at it. i think body language is something that can be understood. where i was as a kid, if you couldn't understand body language (even at such an early age) you were molested by a carer etc. i got to be pretty efficient at seeing the signs pretty quickly after the 1st time. i also learnt that if you scream your fucking lungs out, people get very scared very quickly.
we are what and who we are, the phrase 'what you see is what you get' is an apt one. if you think there's something wrong with you, people will see that and possibly see the same thing.

rowens

I've only been sitting alone thinking a lot for the last couple years. I've always been told that I have a look on my face as if I'm getting ready to snap. It's neurological issues, and nothing I've taken for it does anything. And people don't just "get on my nerves", I literally feel my nerves ripping and burning.

I don't think there's anything crazy about the things I write either. But I've had people telling me that everything about me is crazy since I was 5 years old. So now I write all day, and use the computer more than I'd like.
I was put into a mental hospital because I got high on Robitussin and the doctor thought I was trying to commit suicide. I used to walk around the park talking to myself and no one gave a shit. Hours and hours alone make people crazy. Drugs make people crazy. This is not a sob story the mental hospital I went to was not so bad, but they strapped me to a gurney even though I would have walked. I saw another man strapped to a gurney who was screaming his ass off. I used to get worked up and yell and punch the wall like a jack ass. Nobody would ever try to molest me in my neighborhood, though I did think some squatters were outside my house plotting to kill me. I don't care if someone calls me crazy as long as that doesn't impede any of my freedom. Sometimes you can tell people your crazy and actually use it to your advantage. Just bored I guess.

rowens

Another crazy thing is making a writer's typewriter into an instrument that instantly goes out to the entire planet. Hours in front of a typewriter can make you feel crazy. When they made a typewriter that writes back to you... What did people expect?
(05-29-2013, 12:15 PM)rowens Wrote: [ -> ]Another crazy thing is making a writer's typewriter into an instrument that instantly goes out to the entire planet. Hours in front of a typewriter can make you feel crazy. When they made a typewriter that writes back to you... What did people expect?

That's right man.
so the site's overloaded with crazies Hysterical we should maybe call this thread "the lie down on the couch" thread Big Grin

here's the thing, they didn't actually do that, a typewriter and a computer keyboard aren't the same thing.

you could have just kept on using a typewriter Wink
putting yourself out there on the web was a choice, we/you weren't driven to do it. we even still have pen/pencil and paper if you want to be outside the sharing side of things.

(05-29-2013, 12:15 PM)rowens Wrote: [ -> ]Another crazy thing is making a writer's typewriter into an instrument that instantly goes out to the entire planet. Hours in front of a typewriter can make you feel crazy. When they made a typewriter that writes back to you... What did people expect?

yeah, thats what all the robitussin addicts say Hysterical after reading your post i sort of side with the doctors view Thumbsup specially the part i bolded out.

(05-29-2013, 12:05 PM)Brownlie Wrote: [ -> ]I was put into a mental hospital because I got high on Robitussin and the doctor thought I was trying to commit suicide. I used to walk around the park talking to myself and no one gave a shit. Hours and hours alone make people crazy. Drugs make people crazy. This is not a sob story the mental hospital I went to was not so bad, but they strapped me to a gurney even though I would have walked. I saw another man strapped to a gurney who was screaming his ass off. I used to get worked up and yell and punch the wall like a jack ass. Nobody would ever try to molest me in my neighborhood, though I did think some squatters were outside my house plotting to kill me. I don't care if someone calls me crazy as long as that doesn't impede any of my freedom. Sometimes you can tell people your crazy and actually use it to your advantage. Just bored I guess.
(05-29-2013, 01:04 PM)billy Wrote: [ -> ]so the site's overloaded with crazies Hysterical we should maybe call this thread "the lie down on the couch" thread Big Grin

here's the thing, they didn't actually do that, a typewriter and a computer keyboard aren't the same thing.

you could have just kept on using a typewriter Wink
putting yourself out there on the web was a choice, we/you weren't driven to do it. we even still have pen/pencil and paper if you want to be outside the sharing side of things.

(05-29-2013, 12:15 PM)rowens Wrote: [ -> ]Another crazy thing is making a writer's typewriter into an instrument that instantly goes out to the entire planet. Hours in front of a typewriter can make you feel crazy. When they made a typewriter that writes back to you... What did people expect?

yeah, thats what all the robitussin addicts say Hysterical after reading your post i sort of side with the doctors view Thumbsup specially the part i bolded out.

(05-29-2013, 12:05 PM)Brownlie Wrote: [ -> ]I was put into a mental hospital because I got high on Robitussin and the doctor thought I was trying to commit suicide. I used to walk around the park talking to myself and no one gave a shit. Hours and hours alone make people crazy. Drugs make people crazy. This is not a sob story the mental hospital I went to was not so bad, but they strapped me to a gurney even though I would have walked. I saw another man strapped to a gurney who was screaming his ass off. I used to get worked up and yell and punch the wall like a jack ass. Nobody would ever try to molest me in my neighborhood, though I did think some squatters were outside my house plotting to kill me. I don't care if someone calls me crazy as long as that doesn't impede any of my freedom. Sometimes you can tell people your crazy and actually use it to your advantage. Just bored I guess.

I can tell you've seen some things billy. You've probably seen more derelicts than me but detaining me was a waste of government funding. They called an ambulence for me what if someone was having a heart attack or a stroke? It's an ineffectual system perhaps it is the best they can do given a lack of resources.
(05-29-2013, 01:33 PM)Brownlie Wrote: [ -> ]but detaining me was a waste of government funding. They called an ambulence for me what if someone was having a heart attack or a stroke? It's an ineffectual system perhaps it is the best they can do given a lack of resources.
i can agree with that, i know people who've been sectioned when all they needed was love and care. the professionals can be all to quick in giving up on people. by the same rule they're probably under too much pressure from many sides. they must waste an awful lot of money on miscalls.
(05-23-2013, 11:58 PM)Bunx Wrote: [ -> ]is this word offensive to anyone else?
i hear chains.
i would rather be called disabled.
these fables of crazy folk,
such a fucking joke?
when everyone else just loves to toke
and poop

Disabled feels like a more offensive word, to me, because "illness" as a word sounds ephemeral, whereas "disabled" implies a permanent lameness, like an absent limb or being French (just kidding), though of course offence is entirely subjective. In my opinion, labels are just that: labels. They're not a statement of philosophical or political attitudes any more than "baked beans" is. If I was suffering from depression I'd have no problem with people labelling me "mentally ill" (figuratively, I wouldn't want a forehead sticker), because I would be, in the same way that I wouldn't be annoyed if I had the flu and someone labelled me physically ill. Come to think of it, even "disabled" wouldn't be wrong, actually, because depression does impair your abilities.
i agree, it's a tag. i suppose illness would be more politically correct but i'm good to go whatever they call it.
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